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Jul 24 2019

CTLP Episode 126- Motherhood in the Messy Middle with Lisa-Jo Baker


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Show Notes-

Today’s episode of Cultivating the Lovely, MacKenzie has a chat with author Lisa-Jo Baker all about her new book, The Middle Matters. In addition to being an author, Lisa-Jo is a wife and mother of 3 kids, as well as co-host of the new podcast Out of the Ordinary. MacKenzie and Lisa-Jo have an encouraging and light-hearted conversation about the “real” side of motherhood in the middle years, plus so much more!

  • How and why Lisa started writing for moms in the middle years
  • The strange stage of being in the middle of marriage and parenting
  • The uniqueness of each stage of motherhood, from being a first-time parent, to a parent of teenagers and beyond
  • The joys of having older kids and teenagers
  • Lisa’s inspiration for writing The Middle Matters


  • Shifting perspective to see the beauty in the life you are living right now
  • How Lisa wrote her books as if it were a collection of photographs of her own life
  • The reaction publishers had when Lisa pitched her book title and idea
  • The format of the book in little essays on different subjects
  • How Lisa approaches social media and real life friendship by prioritizing loving people
  • Finding your pocketful of friends who will be with you through thick and thin
  • Dealing with the complicated nature of faith in the middle season
  • Realizing that God still loves us even when we mess up
  • Lisa talks a little about her new podcast with Christy Purifoy, Out of the Ordinary
  • A typical day in Lisa’s life

Current Lovelies-

Lisa-Jo: taking a walk through her neighborhood each day to take a break from screens

MacKenzie: embracing her need for rest and not pushing herself to work out

Resources Mentioned-


The Middle Matters


Out of the Ordinary

The Wally Show

Movies and TV:

The Princess Bride

The Mission

Strictly Ballroom

Moulin Rouge

Blackhawk Down

Studio 60

Find Lisa-Jo-

You can find Lisa-Jo Baker on her website, You can also follow her across social media on Facebook, Instagram, Pinterest and Twitter.

Find MacKenzie-

You can find MacKenzie Koppa on Instagram, Facebook, and the CTL Facebook Group, of course! You can also listen to her family podcast The Same Page!

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