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Nov 6 2019

CTLP Episode 141- Dealing with Toxic People with Gary Thomas

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Show Notes-

This week on Cultivating the Lovely, MacKenzie has a chat with author and speaker Gary Thomas about his new book When to Walk Away: Finding Freedom from Toxic People. Gary and his wife of 35 years have three children and live outside of Houston, TX. He has a heart for marriage, family and the church, and that love for people shines through this conversation with MacKenzie.

  • How Gary realized this book needed to be written through his own encounter with a toxic person
  • Gary shares his heart for marriage while being real about abuse
  • The danger of telling others to stay in relationship with toxic people
  • Biblical examples of how to deal with toxic relationships
  • Challenges from within the church to victims of abuse
  • Gary identifies some warning signs that you may be in relationship with a toxic person
    • If someone is stopping you from fulfilling God’s mission for you
    • If someone is destroying your spirit
    • If someone is controlling you
    • If someone is gaslighting you or making you feel crazy
  • The crucial importance of having strong Christian friends who can help you deal with toxic relationships
  • Gary describes what “gaslighting” is and how to tell if it is happening to you
  • The difference between a truly toxic person and someone who is acting in a toxic way but can change
  • Why it is crucial to get a counselor to help you with a potentially violent person
  • Some advice for singles
  • Gary’s typical daily routine

Current Lovelies-

Gary: diffusing essential oils in his office at work

Resources Mentioned-


When to Walk Away


The Five

Brainfood/The Knowledge Project

Joe Rogan


About Time

Find Gary-

You can find Gary at You can also follow him on Facebook, Pinterest, and Twitter.

Find MacKenzie-

You can find MacKenzie Koppa on InstagramFacebook, and the CTL Facebook Group, of course! You can also listen to her family-friendly podcast The Same Page!

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