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Jan 29 2020

CTLP Episode 152 – The Purpose of Pain with Seth Haines

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Show Notes-

Today on Cultivating the Lovely podcast, host MacKenzie Koppa talks with Seth Haines. Seth is a lawyer, a photographer and the author of The Book of Waking Up: Experiencing the Divine Love That Reorders a Life. He and his wife, along with their four boys live in the Ozarks. MacKenzie and Seth chat about addiction, recovery, pain, and waking up to the life God wants you to have.

  • Why this book is for everyone, not just someone struggling with addiction
  • Misusing God’s good gifts to numb ourselves to pain
  • The power of meditating on God and finding His divine love

Every created thing is a gift from God given to us to use and to enjoy Him.

Seth Haines
  • Learning to recognize God’s quiet voice amidst painful circumstances
  • Allowing ourselves to sit in the pain and wait on God to show up
  • Seeing emotional pain as a signal that we need to tend to something
  • Making the most of community and the tools God has provided for us to address our pain
  • Seeing relationships differently once you wake up
  • Being willing to see a different identity for yourself to move forward
  • Waking up and recovering is a day-by-day process, not a one-time thing
  • Why Seth internalized a message of scarcity and lack and how he is dealing with that today
  • Seth’s routines for building in habits that will refresh and renew him
  • A typical day in Seth’s life

Current Lovelies-

Seth: practicing his photography skills and working on a new book idea

MacKenzie: journalling on a daily basis and getting back in the habit of writing

Resources Mentioned-


The Book of Waking Up

Coming Clean


O Brother, Where Art Thou

Almost Famous

Find Seth-

You can find Seth on his website You can also follow him on YouTube, Instagram, and Twitter.

Find MacKenzie-

You can find MacKenzie Koppa on InstagramFacebook, and the CTL Facebook Group, of course! Join us on Patreon at

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